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=== Lore === | === Lore === | ||
Shiv | Shiv is fighting in the ritual on behalf of the [[The Baxter Society|Baxter Society]].<ref>{{PageRef|name=Archmother}}'s in-game [[Shiv/Quotes#Patrons|voice line]] (Shiv start): ''"The Baxter Society is counting on you, Shiv. Don't fail your brothers."''</ref><ref>{{PageRef|name=Shiv}}'s in-game [[Shiv/Quotes#Select|voice line]] (select): ''"The Baxter Society sent me."''</ref> His wish is unknown, but Shiv's motivation is to prove his worth to {{HeroIcon|Grey Talon}} and the Baxter Society.<ref>{{PageRef|name=Shiv}}'s in-game [[Shiv/Quotes#Pre-Game|voice line]] (Pre-Game Ping): ''"I'll prove to the old man that I'm worthy."''</ref><ref>{{PageRef|name=Shiv}}'s in-game [[Shiv/Quotes#Post-Game|voice line]] (Post-Game Ping): ''"Think the Baxter Society's gonna be lookin' at me different, now!"''</ref><ref>{{PageRef|name=Shiv}}'s in-game [[Shiv/Quotes#Post-Game|voice line]] (Post-Game Ping): ''"I proved my worth."''</ref> | ||
Shiv | Not much is known about Shiv's criminal past from before he joined the Baxter Society. {{PageRef|name=The Hidden King}} calls Shiv's past "bloody",<ref>{{PageRef|name=Hidden King}}'s in-game [[Shiv/Quotes#Patrons|voice line]] (Shiv start): ''"Yours is a bloody past, Shiv. But there is a life beyond it. Let the Hidden King show you the path forward."''</ref> and the [[Venator|Venators of St. Benedict]] are keeping an eye on Shiv in case he strays from the path of redemption.<ref name=":3">{{ConvoCite|hero1=Venator|hero2=Grey Talon|number=3}}</ref> Shiv's claims that the Baxter Society "saved his life",<ref>{{PageRef|name=Shiv}}'s in-game [[Shiv/Quotes#Select|voice line]] (select): ''"The Baxter Society saved my life, and now I'm gonna save yours."''</ref> and his change of heart seems to be genuine.<ref>{{PageRef|name=Hidden King}}'s in-game [[Shiv/Quotes#Patrons|voice line]] (Shiv start): ''"Some doubt your commitment to your new life, but the Hidden King's faith in you does not waver. Make him proud. Complete the ritual."''</ref> | ||
Shiv | Shiv was chosen by Grey Talon as his replacement in the Baxter Society.<ref>{{VoiceLineCite|Grey Talon|file=orion_ally_shiv_unkillable_01.mp3|transcription=There goes my protegé.}}</ref><ref>{{ConvoCite|hero1=Shiv|hero2=Holliday|number=1|hero_quote1=Holliday|quote1=So you're with the Baxter Society?|hero_quote2=Shiv|quote2=Hand picked by the old man himself.}}</ref><ref>{{PageRef|name=Grey Talon}}'s in-game [[Grey Talon/Quotes#Enemies|voice line]] (killed Shiv): ''"It seems I chose my replacement poorly."''</ref> He has been in the Society for "a few years" and says he is not respected by the other members.<ref>{{ConvoCite|hero1=Shiv|hero2=Abrams|number=1}}</ref> Shiv worries that the Baxter Society would eventually turn on him,<ref>{{PageRef|name=Archmother}}'s in-game [[Shiv/Quotes#Patrons|voice line]] (Shiv start): ''"You found a new family in the Baxter Society, and now you fear them turning on you. But if you complete the ritual, the Archmother can ensure that never happens."''</ref><ref>{{PageRef|name=The Doorman}}'s in-game [[The Doorman/Quotes#Hotel Guest Taunt - Hero Specific|voice line]] (taunt Shiv): ''"The Baxter Society will turn on you, Shiv. It’s only a matter of time."''</ref> as they still doubt that he's changed from his past.<ref name=":4">{{ConvoCite|hero1=Shiv|hero2=Grey Talon|number=1}}</ref> It's implied that Shiv feels lonely.<ref>{{PageRef|name=Rem}}'s in-game [[Rem/Quotes#Naptime Taunt|voice line]] (Naptime taunt): ''"It's okay, Shiv. You're not alone."''</ref> | ||
{{ | Shiv likes to go bowling and drink [[wikipedia:Bourbon_whiskey|bourbon]].<ref>{{VoiceLineCite|name=Shiv|file=Shiv unselect 07.mp3|context=(Unselect)|transcription=Sorry friend, today is my day off and I'm going bowling.}}</ref><ref>{{VoiceLineCite|name=Shiv|file=Shiv unselect 09.mp3|context=(Unselect)|transcription=Looks like I'll be hanging out with my good friend 'Bourbon' today.}}</ref> He is also referred to as a biker.<ref>{{VoiceLineCite|name=Holliday|file=Astro kill shiv 02.mp3|context=(killed Shiv)|transcription=You're not above the law Shiv, you're just a shitty biker.}}</ref> | ||
Shiv | Shiv hates cats.<ref>{{PageRef|name=Shiv}}'s in-game [[Shiv/Quotes#Enemies|voice line]] (killed Calico): ''"I hate cats."''</ref> | ||
Shiv | Shiv allegedly "took something that doesn't belong to him".<ref>{{VoiceLineCite|name=Graves|quotes=Graves/Quotes#Hero-Specific Voice Lines|transcription=You took something that doesn't belong to you, Shiv.}}</ref> | ||
== Character interactions == | == Character interactions == | ||
* Multiple characters compliment Shiv's appearance, calling him "pretty boy",<ref>{{VoiceLineCite|name=Infernus|suffix='|file=Inferno ping see shiv 02.mp3|transcription=I see that pretty boy.}}</ref> "handsome bastard",<ref>{{VoiceLineCite|name=Pocket|file=Pocket ping see shiv 02.mp3|transcription=I see that handsome bastard.}}</ref> "impossibly handsome asshole",<ref>{{VoiceLineCite|name=Lash|file=Lash kill shiv 02.mp3|transcription=There's only room for one impossibly handsome asshole.}}</ref> and a "shampoo ad with knives".<ref>{{VoiceLineCite|name=Ivy|file=Ivy ally shiv unkillable 02.mp3|transcription=He's like a shampoo ad with knives!}}</ref> | * Multiple characters compliment Shiv's appearance, calling him "pretty boy",<ref>{{VoiceLineCite|name=Infernus|suffix='|file=Inferno ping see shiv 02.mp3|context=(ping see Shiv)|transcription=I see that pretty boy.}}</ref> "handsome bastard",<ref>{{VoiceLineCite|name=Pocket|file=Pocket ping see shiv 02.mp3|context=(ping see Shiv)|transcription=I see that handsome bastard.}}</ref> "impossibly handsome asshole",<ref>{{VoiceLineCite|name=Lash|file=Lash kill shiv 02.mp3|context=(killed Shiv)|transcription=There's only room for one impossibly handsome asshole.}}</ref> and a "shampoo ad with knives".<ref>{{VoiceLineCite|name=Ivy|file=Ivy ally shiv unkillable 02.mp3|context=(ally Shiv unkillable)|transcription=He's like a shampoo ad with knives!}}</ref> | ||
* Shiv respects {{PageRef|name=Holliday}} and offers her a place at the Baxter Society.<ref>{{ConvoCite|hero1=Shiv|hero2=Holliday|number=3|hero_quote1=Shiv|quote1=You’re the one looking to kill the Troubadour, right?|hero_quote2=Holliday|quote2=Yeah.|hero_quote3=Shiv|quote3=You make it out alive, you should look up the Baxter Society. We could use someone like you.}}</ref> If they're on opposing teams, Shiv promises to kill the [[The Troubadour|Troubadour]] on Holliday's behalf.<ref>{{PageRef|name=Shiv}}'s in-game [[Shiv/Quotes#Enemies|voice line]] (killed Holliday): ''"Don't worry Holliday, when this is over I'll kill the Troubadour in your behalf."''</ref> Shiv loves Holliday's hat.<ref>{{PageRef|name=Shiv}}'s in-game [[Shiv/Quotes#Enemies|voice line]] (killed Holliday): ''"Love the hat, though."''</ref> | * Shiv respects {{PageRef|name=Holliday}} and offers her a place at the Baxter Society.<ref>{{ConvoCite|hero1=Shiv|hero2=Holliday|number=3|hero_quote1=Shiv|quote1=You’re the one looking to kill the Troubadour, right?|hero_quote2=Holliday|quote2=Yeah.|hero_quote3=Shiv|quote3=You make it out alive, you should look up the Baxter Society. We could use someone like you.}}</ref> If they're on opposing teams, Shiv promises to kill the [[The Troubadour|Troubadour]] on Holliday's behalf.<ref>{{PageRef|name=Shiv}}'s in-game [[Shiv/Quotes#Enemies|voice line]] (killed Holliday): ''"Don't worry Holliday, when this is over I'll kill the Troubadour in your behalf."''</ref> Shiv loves Holliday's hat.<ref>{{PageRef|name=Shiv}}'s in-game [[Shiv/Quotes#Enemies|voice line]] (killed Holliday): ''"Love the hat, though."''</ref> | ||
* Shiv respects {{PageRef|name=Lash}}'s moxie.<ref>{{PageRef|name=Shiv}}'s in-game [[Shiv/Quotes#Enemies|voice line]] (killed Lash): ''"You got moxie, Lash, I'll give ya that."''</ref> | |||
* {{HeroIcon|Grey Talon}} has high hopes for Shiv, despite his criminal past, and holds him in high regard, placing Shiv in the top 8 of people he'd want fighting alongside him.<ref name=":4" /><ref>{{ConvoCite|hero1=Grey Talon|hero2=Shiv|number=2}}</ref> While the conversations are unfinished, Grey Talon seems to defend Shiv's change of heart from {{PageRef|name=Silver}} and {{PageRef|name=Venator}}'s doubts.<ref>{{ConvoCite|hero1=Silver|hero2=Grey Talon|number=3|hero_quote1=Silver|quote1=I can't believe you took up for a man like him. <-> Yeah. But you're gonna reap what you sow.}}</ref><ref name=":3" /> | |||
* {{PageRef|name=Drifter}} knew Shiv before he joined the Baxter Society.<ref>{{PageRef|name=Drifter}}'s in-game [[Drifter/Quotes#Enemies|voice line]] (Killed Shiv): ''"The Baxter Society made you soft!"''</ref> If he kills Shiv, he calls him a "disappointment" and mentions that killing him feels "Shakespearean".<ref>{{PageRef|name=Drifter}}'s in-game [[Drifter/Quotes#Enemies|voice line]] (Killed Shiv): ''"You're such a disappointment, Shiv."''</ref><ref>{{PageRef|name=Drifter}}'s in-game [[Drifter/Quotes#Enemies|voice line]] (Killed Shiv): ''"You're not the man I thought you were, Shiv."''</ref><ref>{{PageRef|name=Drifter}}'s in-game [[Drifter/Quotes#Enemies|voice line]] (Killed Shiv): ''"Feels Shakespearean, don't it, Shiv?"''</ref> He also mentions that, had Shiv not "put himself in a muzzle, maybe he'd be worried".<ref>{{PageRef|name=Drifter}}'s in-game [[Drifter/Quotes#Enemies|voice line]] (Killed Shiv): ''"If you hadn't put yourself in a muzzle, maybe I'd be worried."''</ref> When hunting Shiv, he refers to himself as an "old friend".<ref>{{PageRef|name=Drifter}}'s in-game [[Drifter/Quotes#Bloodscent - Hero Specific|voice line]] (Bloodscent Hunting): ''"Why you hidin', Shiv? Don't want to say hello to an old friend?"''</ref> How Shiv and Drifter met each other is unknown. | |||
* {{PageRef|name=Silver}} loathes Shiv with a passion and refuses to believe he could change from his criminal past.<ref>{{PageRef|name=Silver}}'s in-game [[Silver/Quotes#Enemies|voice line]] (killed Shiv): ''"The Baxter Society can't protect you from me!"''</ref><ref>{{PageRef|name=Silver}}'s in-game [[Silver/Quotes#Enemies|voice line]] (killed Shiv): ''"I don't give a shit what the Baxter Society says, people don't change!"''</ref> She believes he deserves a fate worse than death.<ref>{{PageRef|name=Silver}}'s in-game [[Silver/Quotes#Enemies|voice line]] (killed Shiv): ''"He deserved worse."''</ref> How Silver and Shiv met each other and why Silver hates Shiv is currently unknown. | |||
** {{PageRef|name=Venator}} also doesn't believe in Shiv's change of heart, waiting for him to slip up and ruin his "charade".<ref>{{VoiceLineCite|name=Venator|quotes=Venator/Quotes#Hero-Specific Voice Lines|context=(killed Shiv)|transcription=There is no redeeming you, Shiv.}}</ref><ref>{{ConvoCite|hero1=Venator|hero2=Shiv|number=3|hero_quote1=Venator|quote1=How much longer do you think you can keep the charade up? (...) A month? A year?|quote2=}}</ref> | |||
* {{HeroIcon|Lady Geist}} calls Shiv attractive and asks to have a drink with him after the ritual.<ref>[[Shiv/Quotes#Conversations|Lady Geist and Shiv conversation]]</ref> | * {{HeroIcon|Lady Geist}} calls Shiv attractive and asks to have a drink with him after the ritual.<ref>[[Shiv/Quotes#Conversations|Lady Geist and Shiv conversation]]</ref> | ||
* {{HeroIcon|Ivy}} expresses admiration for Shiv.<ref>{{VoiceLineCite|name=Ivy|file=Ivy ally shiv unkillable 01.mp3|context=(in Spanish)|transcription=I love that guy!}}</ref> {{HeroIcon|McGinnis}} wants to talk to Shiv and "fix him".<ref>{{VoiceLineCite|name=McGinnis|suffix='|file=Mcginnis kill shiv 03.mp3|context=(killed Shiv)|transcription=When this is all over Shiv, we should talk.}}</ref><ref>{{VoiceLineCite|name=McGinnis|suffix='|file=Mcginnis kill shiv 02.mp3|context=(killed Shiv)|transcription=I can fix him!}}</ref> {{HeroIcon|Yamato}} will simply remark "nice hair".<ref>{{VoiceLineCite|name=Yamato|file=Yamato kill shiv 04.mp3|context=(killed Shiv)|transcription=Nice hair.}}</ref> | * {{HeroIcon|Ivy}} expresses admiration for Shiv.<ref>{{VoiceLineCite|name=Ivy|file=Ivy ally shiv unkillable 01.mp3|context=(in Spanish)|transcription=I love that guy!}}</ref> {{HeroIcon|McGinnis}} wants to talk to Shiv and "fix him".<ref>{{VoiceLineCite|name=McGinnis|suffix='|file=Mcginnis kill shiv 03.mp3|context=(killed Shiv)|transcription=When this is all over Shiv, we should talk.}}</ref><ref>{{VoiceLineCite|name=McGinnis|suffix='|file=Mcginnis kill shiv 02.mp3|context=(killed Shiv)|transcription=I can fix him!}}</ref> {{HeroIcon|Yamato}} will simply remark "nice hair".<ref>{{VoiceLineCite|name=Yamato|file=Yamato kill shiv 04.mp3|context=(killed Shiv)|transcription=Nice hair.}}</ref> | ||
* {{PageRef|name=Haze}} and {{PageRef|name=Vyper}} respect Shiv's taste in knives.<ref>{{ConvoCite|hero1=Haze|hero2=Shiv|number=3|hero_quote1=Haze|quote1=You got good taste in knives.|hero_quote2=Haze|quote2=Not enough people appreciate quality blade work.}}</ref><ref>{{PageRef|name=Vyper}}'s in-game [[Vyper/Quotes#Screwjab Dagger|voice line]] (Upgrade Screwjab Dagger): ''"Shiv's like the filet mignon of bladework, you know?"''</ref> | * {{PageRef|name=Haze}} and {{PageRef|name=Vyper}} respect Shiv's taste in knives.<ref>{{ConvoCite|hero1=Haze|hero2=Shiv|number=3|hero_quote1=Haze|quote1=You got good taste in knives.|hero_quote2=Haze|quote2=Not enough people appreciate quality blade work.}}</ref><ref>{{PageRef|name=Vyper}}'s in-game [[Vyper/Quotes#Screwjab Dagger|voice line]] (Upgrade Screwjab Dagger): ''"Shiv's like the filet mignon of bladework, you know?"''</ref> | ||
* {{PageRef|name=Celeste}} "doesn't get the appeal" of Shiv and says he has "ruined a lot of lives".<ref>{{VoiceLineCite|name=Celeste|quotes=Celeste/Quotes#Hero-Specific Voice Lines|context=(killed Shiv)|transcription=I don't get the appeal.}}</ref><ref>{{VoiceLineCite|name=Celeste|quotes=Celeste/Quotes#Hero-Specific Voice Lines|context=(killed Shiv)|transcription=You ruined a lot of lives, Shiv. There's no coming back from that.}}</ref> | |||
* {{PageRef|name=Paige}} thinks Shiv pulls off the "bad boy thing" better than {{PageRef|name=Lash}} does.<ref>{{PageRef|name=Paige}}'s in-game [[Paige/Quotes#Enemies|voice line]] (killed Shiv): ''"Lash should take notes: that's how you pull off the bad boy thing."''</ref> Paige likes Shiv, although she prefers {{PageRef|name=Mirage}}.<ref>{{PageRef|name=Paige}}'s in-game [[Paige/Quotes#Enemies|voice line]] (killed Shiv): ''"Eh... Mirage is better."''</ref> | * {{PageRef|name=Paige}} thinks Shiv pulls off the "bad boy thing" better than {{PageRef|name=Lash}} does.<ref>{{PageRef|name=Paige}}'s in-game [[Paige/Quotes#Enemies|voice line]] (killed Shiv): ''"Lash should take notes: that's how you pull off the bad boy thing."''</ref> Paige likes Shiv, although she prefers {{PageRef|name=Mirage}}.<ref>{{PageRef|name=Paige}}'s in-game [[Paige/Quotes#Enemies|voice line]] (killed Shiv): ''"Eh... Mirage is better."''</ref> | ||
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* Shiv has an [[:File:Monster Shiv model.png|alternate model]] in the game files titled '''"shiv_ult.vmdl_c"''' which shows an unfinished giant mole transformation, presumably meant for an old ultimate ability. | * Shiv has an [[:File:Monster Shiv model.png|alternate model]] in the game files titled '''"shiv_ult.vmdl_c"''' which shows an unfinished giant mole transformation, presumably meant for an old ultimate ability. | ||
* Shiv is voiced by '''Greg Chun''', who also voices [[Pocket]].<ref name=":0">{{YouTubeCite|1=https://youtu.be/cB8SgHZF1GQ?t=229|2=Greg's top 100 Voiceover roles 2025}}</ref> | * Shiv is voiced by '''Greg Chun''', who also voices [[Pocket]].<ref name=":0">{{YouTubeCite|1=https://youtu.be/cB8SgHZF1GQ?t=229|2=Greg's top 100 Voiceover roles 2025}}</ref> | ||
* In now removed voice lines, the [[Patron|Patrons]] said that Shiv "had been" a father<ref name=":1" /> and had a "monster inside him" called "The Beast".<ref name=":2" /> | * In now removed voice lines, the [[Patron|Patrons]] said that Shiv "had been" a father<ref name=":1">{{PageRef|name=Sapphire Flame}}'s in-game [[Shiv/Quotes#Patrons|voice line]] (Shiv Start): ''"You've been many things, Shiv. A brigand, a father, a killer. But if you summon me, I'll make you a king."''</ref> and had a "monster inside him" called "The Beast".<ref name=":2">{{PageRef|name=Sapphire Flame}}'s in-game [[Shiv/Quotes#Patrons|voice line]] (Shiv Start): ''"Shiv, the monster inside you is not the Beast, it is ambition. Complete the ritual and you will finally be sated."''</ref> These lines were removed in the [[Old Gods, New Blood]] update. | ||
* Shiv used to collect hairspray cans, presumably as an old version of his Rage passive ability. | * Shiv used to collect hairspray cans, presumably as an old version of his Rage passive ability. | ||
* Shiv's weapon name, the Busted Flush, is a hand in [[wikipedia:Poker|Poker]] of four cards of the same suit (colour and type) and one of a different suit. It's also an expression referring to a promising thing that ends up failing its potential. | * Shiv's weapon name, the Busted Flush, is a hand in [[wikipedia:Poker|Poker]] of four cards of the same suit (colour and type) and one of a different suit. It's also an expression referring to a promising thing that ends up failing its potential. | ||